Elizabeth - General Discussion "Your fate is in the cards"

[Kiba]

Hm, the parameters in the data graph for Liz is available to look at in the data thread now.

It was kinda expected to be like that haha.

[Kiba]

I will be testing stuff out with Elizabeth this Sunday, so if anyone else would like me to test some stuff, speak now or forever hold your peace. Stuff I will be testing out:

• Dash 2B CH: To bait grabs (Like Jin's 6B/Ragna's 6D in BB for example)
• How hard it is to combo with C/D Garu. (Double garu combos for instance)
• If C/D Agi is more + on block than the EX version.
• Just how effective Liz can pressure up close without using Thanatos.
• The effectiveness of using EX Garu in pressure since it allows for further action. Can I mix it up with JA/2A?

[Saya]

I don't know if these has been answered before so if it has I apologize

. At what point in Health does Liz's command grab change status effects?
. When would be ideal times to use Memento Mori or Healing super?

[Kiba]

I don't know if these has been answered before so if it has I apologize

. At what point in Health does Liz's command grab change status effects?

Her 5D/JD command grab? It only inflicts fear no matter what Liz's health is at.

If you are referring to her R-Action grab, the status effect is dependant on her SP and not her health.

0-49 SP: Charm
50 - 99 SP: Poison
100 - 149 SP: Fear
150 SP: Confusion

. When would be ideal times to use Memento Mori or Healing super?

Diaharan is good to use after:

• SB Zio/Agi
• 2C
• If the character is paralysed and cannot do anything from full screen (like Akihiko with less than 50 SP)

Memento Mori is usually very good to use after an AoA - RC in a combo because it will inflict a huge amount of damage. Shown here for instance (There are more practical combos than that though). It's not very good as a reversal since players can jump it on reaction. It's more effective when the opponent is in fear.

[Terahn]

Maybe I'm wrong but this seems like a really great combo into Memento Mori too. The freezing followed by Concentrate into the beginnings of an all out attack and immediate Memento Mori seems really strong.

[Kiba]

Nah you're not wrong that is exactly what I was looking for thanks!

[Saya]

Thanks Kiba and Terahn! That clarified some things for me. (:

[diospyros]

I was looking at one of the liz matches vs SLA, and I notice that liz kept resetting her combos. Is it always a good idea to reset against SLA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAy6W...ure=plpp_video

It's the first match.

[Kiba]

Hm, I'm actually quite unsure of that.

I mean, it's risky to try resets against any character because she would just lose her oki, but the rewards are great. I guess the Liz player doesn't want Slabrys to easily get back into neutral since it looks difficult to deal with.

Nice to see you btw.

[diospyros]

Hm, I'm actually quite unsure of that.

I mean, it's risky to try resets against any character because she would just lose her oki, but the rewards are great. I guess the Liz player doesn't want Slabrys to easily get back into neutral since it looks difficult to deal with.

Nice to see you btw.

It's nice to see you too again. That makes sense because later on Liz start RCing out of her moves from SLA neutral set-ups. I had to see it a few times again because those set-ups were pretty subtle.