Mayonaka Midnight http://mayonakamidnight.com/ A forum devoted to discussion and analysis of the upcoming game Persona 4: The Ultimate in Mayonaka Arena en Wed, 22 May 2013 06:11:54 GMT vBulletin 60 http://mayonakamidnight.com/images/misc/rss.png Mayonaka Midnight http://mayonakamidnight.com/ <![CDATA[Pssych's Guide to Yosuke]]> http://mayonakamidnight.com/showthread.php?2427-Pssych-s-Guide-to-Yosuke&goto=newpost Mon, 20 May 2013 19:57:12 GMT Image: http://i.imgur.com/khGOj9D.png 1.) Introduction 2.) Important Tools 3.) Supers 4.) Offense and Defense (What? Where? Why? How?) 5.)...


Table of Contents

1.) Introduction
2.) Important Tools
3.) Supers
4.) Offense and Defense (What? Where? Why? How?)
5.) Basic Combos


Introduction

Yosuke is really strong in the neutral department, thanks to his great normals and movement options. Yosuke's main goal is to get in using his strong neutral game and deal damage. Contrary to popular belief, Yosuke shouldn't be zipping around the screen pressing random buttons / specials all the time.

Yosuke is able to perform 3 actions (using Mirage Slash, Kunai and/or Moonsault) in the air (4 in sukukaja). Both his ground throw and air throw inflict poison status. He has Tentarafoo which puts the opponent in confusion state. Yosuke also has the fastest run speed and highest jump height in the game.

With low HP (8300), he can't afford many mistake so be cautious with how you use moves and when you press buttons.


Important Tools


Gliding(66 > j2B~A+C):
Yosuke's most important tool is his ability to glide. Gliding is performed by jumping in the air and doing 66 > j2B~A+C (j3b works just as well and is easier). Gliding will allow Yosuke to keep the momentum of his air dash but he'll hit the ground much quicker and at a much better angle. Gliding can be used as a tool to get in, to mixup the opponent during a combo (5C > 2C > IAD Glide > jA or 2A or throw for the high/low) or help him bait moves since he is able to block after performing the glide. Yosuke is also able to glide backwards by doing Jump > Air turn > airdash > glide. THIS IS ONE OF YOSUKE MOST IMPORTANT TOOLS.

WoofX7's Gliding Tutorial [Arcade Stick]
Summoned Sword's Gliding Tutorial [Controller / Pad]

Instant Air Backdash jD:
jD is an extremely important tool, this will help getting with across the screen in a much easier fashion. jD will travel full screen allowing Yosuke to travel behind it from a safe distance via running or gliding. Becoming predictable with this move will result in a few broken persona cards, so use this smartly. In some matchups (Mitsuru, Labrys, Yukiko, Aigis) it's advised to use this move a little less than usual due to it's 33 frame start up (Mitsuru's Coup Droit and Labrys' jB can punish this and Yukiko's fans will break Jiraiya constantly). CH jD can lead into great damage.

5A:
His 5A has a 5 frame start up (4 in Sukukaja) and will hit crouching. This will be the normal to use at close range to open people up and one of Yosuke's main combo starters. Useful for tick throws as well.


2A:
2A has 6 frames of start up (5 in Sukukaja) and is only -2 (-1 in Sukukaja), making it a fast low poke that's pretty much safe on block. The second of Yosuke's main combo starters.

jA:
jA is one of Yosuke's good air buttons, extremely fast (5 frame startup) and capable of hitting behind him and counts as an overhead. Due to the hitbox, it's probably one of the best moves to use with a incoming glide on a crouching opponent.

5B:
5B has a 9 frame start up and is +1 on block (+3 in Sukukaja). This normal will be one of Yosuke's main tools in blockstrings, he can microdash > 5A afterwards for a tighter blockstring. In Sukukaja, 5B can be dash canceled.

2B:
One of the best Anti-airs in the game. 2B's hitbox hits the vertical space infront of him and some upper horizontal space behind his head. Jump cancel-able on hit/block can leads into some nice air combos or safe escapes on block.


jB:
Yosuke's most valuable air tool. It has an extremely large hitbox and overhead capabilities thus making it Yosuke's third main combo starter.

A+C (Sweep):
Yosuke's sweep hits low, and is able to low profile moves like Mitsuru's 5A, Liz's 5B and some of Akihiko's specials. You're able to cancel into specials on hit for decent damage. After Sweep he can immediately go into 5D allowing him to start his pseudo-oki options.

2C:
This is Yosuke's only Fatal counter with a 16 frame start up. It's jump cancel-able on hit allowing for the IAD Glide mixup mentioned before. In Sukukaja, it launches the opponent backwards so adjust your combos accordingly.

Dash Spring (236A/B/AB):
One of Yosuke's main combos tools. A version runs a short distance, B version nearly reaches full screen and causes a ground bounce. SB version reaches full screen, projectile invincible during frames 13-31 and causes a ground bounce on counter hit. SB is great for punishing Zoners at full screen distance. One of the great things about Dash Spring B is the ability to OMC (One more cancel) it during certain hits (just before Yosuke launches himself into the air) to create an instant overhead using jA.

Honorable Mentions

Kunai (236C/D/CD) - Combo ender and pseudo-zoning tool. The C version is thrown at a 70° angle and recovers in 23 frames (after landing) and D Version is thrown at a 55° angle and recovers in 27 frames (after landing). SB Kunai allows you to perform another air action.

Moonsault (Air 236A/B/AB) - One of Yosuke's main mixup tools and can cross up in the corner. It can be done up to 3 times in the air (4 in Sukukaja) and can be cancelled into any air special. Frames 1-9 are invul which can beat out some Anti-airs, but watch out for air grabs. SB Version does an automatic Crescent Slash.

Mirage Slash (j2C/D) - Hits low. Great for baiting Anti-airs and catching the opponent off guard. Extremely unsafe, however the slide part becomes special cancel-able in Sukukaja. The teleport (start up) can be cancelled into Kunais or Moonsault. The SB version teleports him straight to the ground with no slide, can be used for faking out (still has some recovery).

5C - Good mid-range poke tool. Due to it being a Persona move, it's not suggested to be thrown out all the time because you'll end up losing persona cards constantly.



Supers

Garudyne:
Yosuke's primary super for ending combos. Extremely unsafe (-33 to be exact) however this move can be made much more safer by moving downwards during the last few hits so you hit the ground faster. On block Garudyne becomes a really scary mixup tool thanks to One More Cancelling into Moonsaulting afterwards, overhead confirms, lows or grabs.

Sukukaja:
Yosuke's speed install super that last 20 seconds. Sukukaja changes a lot about Yosuke's normals and specials:

-Ground dash becomes invisible.
-Allows him to dash cancel certain normals / moves.
-Allows 5B, 5C, 2C, j.C to all be jump cancelled.
-Grants him 4 air actions instead of 3
-Mirage Slash Slide can now be special cancelled.
-Changes the distance of Dash Spring A/B versions reach nearly full screen.
-2C causes knock back.

It also changes how his combos work, so if you plan to use this move, learn the combos to go with it.




Offense and Defense (What? Where? Why? How?)

Offense:
Yosuke has extreme strong pressure thanks to his normals. 5B allows him to perform easy frametraps. Midrange / Shortrange is where he truly shines, his normals (5A, 5B, 2A, 5C) cover that range perfectly. Keep at this range to bait normals with footsies and then go in for a FC / CH combo using his excellent movement speed. At long range Yosuke has the option to maintain that distance and try to counter their approach or just go in using Gliding / Running with the IA jD assist. EX Dash Spring is great for catching zoners seeing as it's projectile invincible during frames 13-31 which can lead into a decent CH combo.

Gliding is one of Yosuke's most important tools when it comes to offense. It allows him to get into, to maintain pressure and to mix up. Learning to Glide can make a lot of the zoner matchups (Yukiko, Liz, Naoto) a lot easier.

Defense:
Yosuke's R-Action (Dodge) is a great defensive tool. It has loooong active frames (47) and a great hitbox help him beat certain approaches easily. If Yosuke lands Dodge from a jumping normal (Mitsuru's jB for example) he can actually combo off it with 2A, so you can punish certain jump in with nice damage. However his R-Action cannot kill.

As mentioned before, Yosuke has one of the best Anti-airs (2B) in the game, use this to AA jump-ins and other air movements. Thanks to it being jump cancel-able on hit and block, it allows him to get nice and easy damage or quick escapes.

Gliding is not only an offensive tool, but it can be used defensively as well. It will help him escape corners safely or just get away from the opponent using the backwards Glide (Jump > Air turn > airdash > glide).




Basic Combos

BnBs:
5A > 5B > 5C > 2C > 236A > Air 236C (1749 damage, +15 SP)
Dash 5A > 5C > 2C > 236B > Air 236A~A x2 > Air 236D (2710 damage, +22 SP)
On Crouching - 5B > 5C > 2C > 236B > Air 236A~A x2 > Air 236D (3036 damage, +22 SP)
2A > 5A > 5AA > 5B > Sweep > 236A > Air 236C (1249 damage, +13 SP)


Fatal:
2C FC > 236B > j2C > 2A > 2B > 2C > jB > j2B > jc > jB > j2B > Air 236B~B > Air 236A~A > Air 236D (4646 damage)
2C FC > 236B > j2C > 2A > 2B > 2C > jB > j2B > Air 236A~A x2 > Air 236D (4493 damage, +31 SP)

Air combo:
jB > jBB > j2B > jump > jB > jBB > j2B > 236C

Sukukaja:
2A/5A > 5B > 5C > 2C > 236B > 236A~A x2 > J2B > djC > Air 236C (2742 damage, +25 SP)
FC 2C > 236B > Air 236A~A > j2C > 2A > 2B > j2B > Air 236A~A x2 > j2B> djC > Air 236D > Garudyne


Summary

Hopefully this guide gives you some insight on the finer points of Yosuke and help you understand how to play him. More information will be added in the future.

Questions? Go Here or send me a private message.



Credits

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Milln
Ehrik
Miller
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